Exploring the Dynamics of Energy & Personal Resonance with Penney Peirce


Hi, I’m Guy Lawrence and you are
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sure you head back to the guylawrence. com.au. Awesome guys. Enjoy the show. Penney, welcome to the podcast. It’s good to be here. Now I ask everyone on the show, and
I’d love to hear your answer on this. If you are on an airplane and you sat
next to a complete stranger and they asked you what you did for a
living, what would you say that has been quite the
challenge over the years, especially having moved to Florida. I just say I write self
help books, but um, because there’s no label.
Do you know for what I do, it’s more like a process. So
I usually, I try to describe, I do counseling, I write, I teach workshops on, you know, consciousness and intuition development. Okay. I go, Oh, and then they turn away, unless you were sitting next
to me and then I would be exactly then. And then it’s the
whole plane. Right. It’s the talk Bingo! I know, cause we weren’t even talking off air
just now about how this work for me felt very foreign for a very long time. And they kind of would see it in the
self help industry if you like. And, and, um, but they never really made sense
until I started having my own embodied experiences. And then
from that I was like, huh, now I know what they’re on about.
Now I get it. Yeah. You know, and I’ll never forget, uh, a
very dear friend of mine, um, who’s been involved in this work a
very long time. And I was helping me, was my own, I guess,
transition through this work. And had a very long reading
list of recommended reading. So I would go to his website
and to slowly, and your, yours was on their frequency. Okay. Yeah. Frequency. And that’s when
I first heard of you. Yeah. Oh wow. Yeah. So books, go
out and make friends for you. Exactly. I would say my experiences, you know,
it’s somewhat parallel in a way. I, um, I started, I was a corporate art director and
graphic designer and interior designers. So I, uh, I learned a lot
about, um, I don’t know, you know, when you’re a designer
you’re looking at problem solving, the in a practical sense and, but also you have to use your creativity
and you have to feel into things like if you’re going to design
a logo for somebody, you have to feel who are they in what
will actually symbolize who they are. So I had it, I think it was good
training for doing this kind of work. Is that what led you into
it? I was going to ask you, how did you end up doing this work? No, it, um, well that’s, that’s like sort of the outer training
I had, but I always had these, um, secret interests I guess in
the mysteries and you know, my mother believed in reincarnation
and I said, well, yes, of course, or see and I was five
years old. Yes, of course. That’s really why he is the way it is. Um, but I read a lot of books in, Oh gosh, high school. I guess even, you know, about psychic discoveries behind the
iron curtain and all kinds of things and uh, and that there were
two parallel tracks. So I was doing the outer thing and then
the inner thing was going and then they kind of came together there eventually
when I was in my, Oh, twenties, I guess, mid twenties in California. Yeah. Where I, I realized actually I took, okay, they everything was burgeoning there and
exploding with consciousness kinds of things in Northern California at
that time, San Francisco area. And uh, they had actually had
classes in clairvoyance development, which I was like, I didn’t know you
could like study, that kind of thing. But I was very visual. I was, you know,
a graphic artist. And so I thought, well, maybe I, that sounds
cool. So I took them, I did it. And boy that was like the turning point. And I realized I was getting imagery
that actually meant something about a person’s life, that it was
real. And it was like, Oh boy, this is amazing. And then I was
hooked, you know, after that. And then it just grew. And grew, and grew and grew and grew and I mean a
million things started happening once I got on the right track. Yeah. Got it. And that’s the thing. How do you learn to trust that or
even develop that in the first place? Well, I think it helps that I’m a double
Leo and I’m sorry, I think you know, you’re self centered, but um, you know, like I, if I got bored with something, I would veer away from it and then
I would veer toward the next thing. That was really interesting. So it
was kind of like the zigzagging path, um, because I didn’t want to be bored
and I wouldn’t put up with it. I couldn’t put up with it. And I
think it just led me on, you know? Yeah. And then I just, yeah,
I just learned it that, um, the things worked that
way, that, you know, I would be led to things
that were correct. Yeah. It’s a difficult thing to
trust that I found initially. Yes. I was maybe a
little naive because, um, I worked for corporations for a
while and then when I got laid off, eh, when I up to that Northern
California and suddenly there I was, uh, I had some unemployment insurance that
I could get by and all my vendors that I had worked with for graphics,
they farmed workout to me. And suddenly I had a freelance business.
It’s almost like the path opened. Do you know what I mean? It’s like
just opened in front of me and then I, I took the next step and
then I did the next thing. And then there was like a weaving too,
like threads weaving into a braid. And, um, I sorta just proceeded along, you know, but with the kind of sense of rightness
or just rightness that you know, and, and then it was demonstrated to me, like if I didn’t have enough clients, I would realized suddenly that I
had just said that I was tired. And then the universe would say,
okay, you want to rest? Okay, we won’t give you anybody. And then
I would say, well, wait, no, wait. I’m thinking I’d like to work with people
and then the phone would ring again, you know, so it was, I could really start to feel my
connection with my universal self or the, you know, the field and how it all was working
together and I was getting what I needed. Yeah. Nothing was wrong. Yeah. And that triggers a question in
me. How would you describe it to someone? Cause I’ve heard you, I use the term
unified field if I’m not mistaken. Yup. How would you describe that to someone
that maybe just looking at this work for the first time? The unified field? Well, I think you start to discover
it when you meditate. Um, like when I would meditate, I’d go down into my body and I’d feel
myself as a collection of particles all just floating in space, right. And my skin was particles and there
was space in between the particles. And then I would go out beyond my
skin. And then there was no line there. There was like particles of the air and
particles of the chair and they were maybe slightly different
frequencies, but it just kept, if I take my ex my attention
out okay and expand my, my bubble, it was all
the same kind of basic, you know, particles and stuff, face with various frequencies
running throughout it. And then I realized, well, you know, I am, there’s no line that makes me just
be here and that this is all I am. And then I realized, well, I am the
whole thing. That’s my big body. Um, and yet in, in this present moment, um, my focus can be, uh, as a
personality or when I meditate, it can be as a soul, you know,
or I could be the solar system. And I started to experiment with that
expansion and contraction of that feeling of my, I don’t know if you’d call it
your, your space, your reality. I, I, you know, your sphere,
um, and your present moment. Uh, and, and that, that
was me in that moment, but I was constantly changing and
I was everything from IME to am us. And, and that if I didn’t
put a definition on it, that I was the whole thing, you
know? And that’s the stars and every, it’s everything that inside the physical
world is this world of light particles of light. You know, it’s like
the quantum physics, right? Yeah. I was gonna say, you know, I’ve
had a number of quantum physicists on, on here and, and how it broke down. And that was the language that allowed
me to look and really start to delve into this work and got me across the
line, you know, first place. Yeah. Because metaphysics and physics
are just frequencies of the same thing, you know, you know, they’re not separate. So that has always made
really a lot of sense to me. Although I’m not trained
in science, I really feel, you know, structural a lot in the way
I understand consciousness. It’s an energy and things
like that. It’s very, very practical to me in a way. Yeah. And I’d love to get your view on,
on this topic of consciousness as well, because I’ve heard you speak as
well, that we’re in the midst of it, of transformation. And we’re moving from information
age to intuition, age. I’d love you to break that down
for us a little bit, please. Okay. Um, so let’s see.
I’ll try and describe. It’s a process, right? And first of all, I think we need to understand that
transformation is different than change. I always think of changes like you have
objects on a tabletop and you rearrange them, like, you know, and they’re still the same objects but
they’re in a different pattern. You know, nothing’s really shifted that much. But transformation is a
dimensional shift like you go from, I always say, you know, you put take a dot and you put a whole
bunch of dots together and you get the line, okay, that’s a transformation. Then you put a bunch of lines
together and you get the plane, you put a bunch of plans
together and you get the cube. Now we’re in three dimensional reality, which is the cubic reality and we’re
moving to the end of that kind of consciousness or that freak, let’s see, of consciousness and what’s the
next thing? Well, it’s a miracle. And, um, so, but what that
means is a long explanation. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, but transformation is a major shift of
perception out of what we’ve been used to, which is very linear way of thinking,
past, present, future, beginning, middle end, you know, um, everything’s in a line and
it’s kind of slow. There’s, we have, you know, points along a line and then you have
these imagined gaps between the points, which gives you the illusion that I have
to cross this empty gap to get to the next thing or goal. And then that takes time
and you know, it’s slow. All right. So when you shift out of that kind
of linear perception into spherical, this is different. The geometry
is actually different. All right, so you’re in the center of the ball. You and I were in the center
of our, our sphere right now. And we never leave that center point,
but the ball gets bigger or smaller. It encompasses a lot of the body of
knowledge of life or, or a little bit. It could be physical, it could
be mental, it can be emotional, it can be spiritual, it
can be global, you know, all those are focal links of our, so, you know, it’s all there and everything
actually is inside the ball with us. This is like weird. Okay. So we’re realizing that there’s
actually no outside world. That’s a big, one of the big
tenets of the shift is that, um, everything is contained within your
present moment. All frequencies, all variables, all potential
realities, all time, all space. Um, and so what you place your attention
on is what becomes real for you. If you take your attention
out of something, it fades
back into the background. Okay. So we’re learning these
new principles actually, but so, and this is all happening because
of an acceleration on the planet of, and God knows why that’s
going on. But you know, the Schumann resonance in the center of
the planet is getting very, very high. It’s spiking. It went from like seven
point, what was it, 7.8 or something, which was the normal [inaudible], a Hertz frequency to up to 15 or 20. And now it’s spiking up over a hundred
and it’s resting a lot around 50 sometimes, you know, so that
is the vibration of the planet. But our bodies are made of the planet.
They’re made of earth. Do you know, so our bodies are paralleling the, the acceleration of the planet
and we feel that, you know, we have been feeling it for quite a
long time in that we’ve been buzzing and getting very electrical and having
these symptoms of overheating and, um, you know, our emotions are
out of control and, and you know, we’re frustrated. We want everything
to be really fast. And, uh, you know, they’re, I, I’ve outlined a lot of
those in my book frequency. Uh, but, but it’s all about acceleration, right? And so what’s happening because of that
acceleration then two is that we cannot process information very much
anymore. You know, it’s like, um, there’s so much data. It’s everywhere that we used
to be able to do it bit by bit, bite by bite in a linear process, but now there’s too much
and it’s overwhelming. So you can’t process it the same logical
way that means there’s this pressure building. It’s causing us
to almost just need to like, you know, just break through
and means to ceiling. You have to kind of blank out from
having the control over information into going into your right brain
where it’s all known all at once. Everything is known and it’s
direct knowing it’s intuition, you know, and we are in and out in and
out of that transition all the time. I think we’re okay, we get
overloaded and then we can, you know, blank out and we go into it and then
we go back to the old way and then that doesn’t work anymore. It’s too slow.
And then we go try it. And you know, another instantaneous thing. So
we’re learning at this point, I think in our history what
that new reality could be like. Yeah. Does that, does that make sense? How did it, it does to me 100% you know, I’d probably have to literally listen
to that again at the same time. But there’s a few key points that I
want to try and reiterate for everyone, including myself was the first thing
in mid me that when you first started talking about where we put our attention
is what we bring into form and reality. So that made me think of the double
slit experiment on the observer effect a quantum physics. We’re saying that
it’s only when we observe something, something comes into
form particle and wave. So I often wonder and I think is my
toilet in the bathroom right now? If nobody’s looking at it, I’m not sure, but, but I hear what you’re saying, but on the same level then with
the frequency of the planet, I’m assuming then is that sort of
like nudging us into our own personal transformation and if we keep resisting
there’s going to be more difficulty as a, should we surrender into it? Right. Well I think
yes, the answer is yes, but also, um, it’s a struggle at this point because
we’re very identified with our left brain and the way the left
brain perceives reality, which is about separation were individual
people separated from other bodies. Everything seems separate, you know, and, and so the left brain really is about
compartmentalizing, categorizing, and, you know, they say the function of the left
brain is to interrupt the right brain. Cause if you were in your right
brain, you couldn’t talk, it would, it’s all known all at once. You have to have a function
that interrupts and puts a
focus into that huge body of knowledge. In other
words, like you’re saying, place attention on something and it will
come forth so that you can see it and name it and perceive it and make meaning
out of it and make a reality here on earth, you know? Um, and so, you know, you know, I think part
of it is, Oh, you know, w where it’s a, it’s a complicated thing. We’re starting to unlearn an old way that
has been almost our entire history on the planet. To be able to know that you can
place attention on something. And if it’s fully there, if your attention is totally into
what you’re imagining, it will occur. But we have a belief that everything has
to be gradual. So it, you know, we, we, it still is taking time, but I’m seeing more and more now that
there are a lot of instantaneous things happening, like instantaneous
healing. Yeah. And, and also, um, immediate repercussions
from the way we think. Or you ask for something and you really
mean it and you get it the next day, you know, like it, it is happening, right? So, so attention is the key thing. It is the focus of our consciousness
and it is in the present moment fully. It’s all about presence. And so it, it is the skill of the future,
but of course there’s no future. So it’s the skill of now. Yeah. Right. Because, you know, I, I have this conversation a lot
with [inaudible] people who said, I’m setting my intention for this to
happen. Well, you know, that’s futurizing. And in the new intuition age,
there’s no past or future. It’s like this giant present moment that
has swallowed up the past and future and all they are your memories or your
ideas are possible realities that have particular frequencies to them there
let’s say particular combinations of variables that exist in the
imaginal realm. Okay. You know, we combined them and we got this reality
of like abusive parents or kind parents or you know, went to college,
didn’t go to college, whatever. Um, and we can still now combine
any variable variables. We want to create any reality we want. And that’s the freedom
that we’re coming into. This kind of almost magical way of, um, living on earth and playing
in creative field, you know, to both create and to, to materialize.
I call it now not manifest, but materialize and de materialize. I think that’s partly
why we’re here. Yeah. Out of spirit. Because in spirit
that kind of thing doesn’t exist. So at tension then is where we
play. So I always think about where, where we place our attention
is where we place high energy. Well, it’s the same I, but then so, so we, I feel like looking back
in my life, I hadn’t, I hadn’t been trained or even aware of
where my attention was going on a daily basis cause I was so distracted by
my own stories on my own things. Right. That’s why I think a lot,
we’re in a process of clearing, I call it clearing the
clutter, you know? Um, I’ve gone through processes
of like losing my stories, like my, his, my personal history and thing who is
walking down the hall of my house right now, you know, like who’s
hungry at this moment? And uh, um, and then realizing I don’t need any of
those stories of that history because I’m free of it all. But it’s useful to communicate with
other people so you can use it as long as you don’t get attached to it and identify
too much with it because then you’re limited in what you can
create. Yeah. Right. And so then part also of clearing yourself
is clearing all the old fear ideas or places where you would have
reacted and I call it contractions. Right. You know, where, where you
inhaled and forgot to exhale again. And, um, and, and then just seeing the mistake in the
original perception that you had and say, well, you know, I’m bigger than all that and I’ll know
I won’t walk down the dark alley at night. You know, I’m not stupid, you know, but I don’t have to create
danger in my life either. Yeah, of course. Of course. And how
much do you think then we are run? How much do you think fear is
playing a part in all of this then? It must be okay. Oh, tall. Tremendous. I mean, that’s why
we have this society in the, you know, the way life operates today
because of separation, because of the way the left
brain perceived separation. Yeah. It looks like we are
separate objects, right. And that there is this
outside world that can, that is bigger than we are, that can, that can hurt us or dominate
us that we, you know, we’re helpless against. And that is, uh, an old human belief when we start to
realize that we’re souls and that that reality out there is a materialization
of our thoughts and feelings. But of course, we’re all in
this together, creating the co, creating this huge reality out of all
of our thoughts and feelings, you know, so as some of us start changing
into a clearer perception, we’re not buying into the old
fear-based realities anymore. And the more we can get a group
together that doesn’t do that, the faster I think we will
actually have a transformation, you know, which is that shift into that
higher, a more frictionless reality. Yeah. And how much of a, you know, the years you’ve been looking
at this embodied work, I mean, you’ve written as a temp books.
Yeah. Like amazing. Amazing. And how much have you seen
this new way of thinking, this new paradigm coming in over the,
the space that you’ve been involved? Do you think it’s quick
and then, and, and, and more people are catching up to it? Yes. Yeah. I, I, um, when I first started in this, you couldn’t
really even say the word intuition. Like we were trying to work in
a group of us in San Francisco. We’re trying to work with business
and they would think you were like, um, you know, woo woo and off the wall,
you know, intuition in business. No. Um, and now it’s common. Creativity
and intuition are just, you know, kind of more ordinary. Yeah. So people have the times have sped up
and people’s bodies and consciousness are in a process of clearing the old fear. They’re in the process of undergoing
the stages of transformation. Now, you know, and I’ve written
about that again in frequency, I’ve outlined stages of this
transformation process. And I’m, no, I think it is doable.
Does it become clear? Basically? Yeah. Does transformation
need to be difficult? No. No. It’s, it’s there. I think the resistance to each of the
phases that makes it seem difficult and slow. Okay. Um, you know, and, and the biggest part of it is that, um, I think that the acceleration on the
planet has caused the body to vibrate so fast that for one thing, we’re all
becoming ultra sensitive and empathic, which, you know, we didn’t use to
feel all the things that we feel now. We weren’t able to see all
the things that we see now. The things that we used to have like, um, areas that we could suppress
and deny and push down. And then we never had to look
at it again. Like, uh, like, um, you know, sexual abuse or
pedophile priests or you know, scandals and things that could be
hidden 20 years ago but not now. It all pops up to the surface, you know, and the same thing happens now because
I think that the frequency of the subconscious mind has risen. That means the fears that
were stuffed down there, they can’t stay there anymore
because that realm is too fast. And so those things, I was like going
into to popcorn popping, you know, the heat has been applied and
this stuff cannot stay hidden. So it’s popping up into the conscious
mind where suddenly we notice it again and we may notice it by reenacting having
a similar experience to something that happened to us in a past
life or in our childhood. And then that thing that we didn’t
want to have to face is in our face, you know, and, and it’s time to look at it and see it
with the mature eyes and with a loving heart. And I understand that you didn’t
see the whole picture before that, you know, you put it in its
right place and then poof, it dissolves and you’re more of yourself. Yeah. I love that analogy. I just, I just can relate to that in
my own life so much, so much. And I was resisting for years there. The popcorn was popping and I reckon
there would’ve been about two or three years where I’m like, ah, I’m not
going there. I’m not going there. And then it just got too much.
And when I went there, you know, cause I was doing this work and
the more I was doing in it, the, there was a quickening from
it. But at the same time, the moment I’ve fully surrendered
into it and, and really like you said, start to witness it with a mature
set of eyes and a loving heart. Boy, it was just like taking this huge
backpack off me that I’d carried my whole. Yeah, I, I’ve notice that, um, when you stop feeding those
patterns with your attention, cause remember when you place attention
on something, you, it becomes real. And so the patterns we have
in childhood, let’s say, and everybody tells their story about, well I’m this way because this happened
to me when I was little. You know, or if this is my history and I did
this and I did this and I did that. But especially the negative things,
if you keep your attention on them, they keep staying with you. And if you resist them and hate
them and don’t want to see them, you’re still putting attention on them. And so you hold them to yourself
and then you, you know, they, you know, that’s part of who you are. Then that’s what you’re
telling the world that you are. If then you can notice that you’re doing
that and stop feeding it and saying, well, that’s not really what
I want to put my attention on. I’m a different kind of
person now, or I’m, you know, I’m much more than that
little pattern. You know, I learned something from it and
I’m understanding it, but not, I don’t care about it. And you get kind of like nonplussed
about these things. It’s like it, the, the more you, um, don’t pay attention to those things,
the more it’s like they forget, you forget about them.
It’s like you say, gosh, was I sexually abused or did that happen
to one of my friends and they told me about that. No. Or is that
just like a human thing? You know, that happens to
everybody. I don’t own it, you know, and then it’s like, it, it just
fades out and it’s bizarre. You know, he thought it was so real and now it’s
just like, you can’t even remember it. Yeah. I’ve seen that
happen over and over again. Yeah. And I think of a Hab slow
as well. What fires together, wires together and what
doesn’t. And wires. That’s right. Yeah, that’s right. I’m sure there’s a total
physical correspondence in
the brain and in the body and then the synapses for this, um, inner process of, of attention
or no attention. Yeah, yeah, totally. What tips would you give for someone
listening to this that is thinking, okay, I’m, I want to improve my
attention where I place it. I want to sort of diffuse that emotional
charge that keeps coming up every day. Um, and I want to move, let go of the old self and really
step into this work. And like, are there any sort of little tips
that you’d give someone starting out? Yeah. Um, again, in, in my book
frequency, I talk a lot about, um, finding your home frequency, which is, I’m not matching other
people’s vibrations, but feeling inside you for your
favorite kind of state of being, you know, like your, your a
preferred state, you know, and, and everybody’s is a little different,
but they’re all pretty much the same. You know, I sometimes get to it by imagining I’m
playing with a puppy or looking at a little baby’s shiny eyes or
I’m just feeling cheerful
and sincere and simple and amused. I think self
entertainment is a very high state of what you think yourself
into that state and, and that it’s relaxed. You’re willing
to be amused. You’re, you’re, you know, fine, everything’s fine, you know, and um, and when you’re in that state, then you
can think clearly cause you’re in your, your own vibration or I sometimes
I call it your original tone. Like if you struck a tuning fork and
that was your tone and every part of you comes into a nice resonance with that. Ah, it feels so good. So then you have to take a sort of
snapshot of that state, you know, and then compare it to your worst possible
state when you’re all freaked out and tight and solid and messed it up,
you know, and then go, wait a minute, do I want to like, feel like that? Or
can I go back to my preferred state? So you learned to choose to feel the way
you want to feel because that’s up to you. Like nobody can make you feel
bad if you don’t want to. Well, that’s one thing you know,
and have a sometimes a little, a way of triggering yourself back
into it. Like mine sometimes is like, I think cheerful wellness helps me a lot. Like if I can imagine that or even have
a sensation of like no melting butter or a warm pink and Gore or sweater
or you know, like, you know, these are things that feel like the
way I like to feel inside of myself and everybody has different ones. Um, and okay. Return to that
as often as possible. Um, and then catch yourself, ask yourself cat to catch your left
brain when it gets overactive in that, um, okay. Protective mode. And in that mode it will
always spin out these negative. Do claritive statements
about who I don’t dance. No, I don’t know how to do public
speaking. No, I can’t, you know, and it’ll just keep negating
everything about you, you know, and no, I have terrible
luck in relationships, you
know, or whatever it is. It, you know, and, and um, you catch those and even write them down
and then write the opposite of it and then feel into that
opposite statements and say, what would it be like if that were my
reality? Okay. You’ve just changed it, you know? So there are a number of,
of little simple techniques I think, where we can get ourselves out
of that habitual, you know, S yeah. Hamster wheel,
you know? [inaudible] totally, totally. I’ve found, um,
you can certainly play to your op at, you can train your attention to see
opportunity just as much as you would’ve seen obstacles in the [inaudible]. Yeah. Yeah. And maybe you’d
have to face the fact that, why was I getting energy
from being a victim? Hmm. Why did I make other people treat me
like a victim in order to feel myself? And then you’ll, you may be feel very embarrassed
or ashamed and then you
set to forgive yourself and say, well, I don’t
have to do that anymore. But sometimes you have to face these ways
that the ego tries to control reality so that it thinks you won’t get
hurt. Do you know what I mean? It’s like either be a victim and
be right by being wrong, you know, or be a narcissist and try to control
everything about the reality so it’ll agree with you. And that’s
a whole lot of work. Yeah. Instead of just being yourself
and letting things be. Yeah, totally. No, it’s very friend. I am, I got some questions I’d like to ask
you that I ask everyone on the show. And the first one is [inaudible]
what’s been a low point in your life, but as later turned out to be a blessing? I’ve had several times in my
life where somebody wants to, to me, it’s like you took a whole bunch of
sticks of dynamite and lifted the mall at once. It was like, like I took all
my karma in one year or something. Um, and I had losses and depths and, you know, just crazy experiences.
And I was just like, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. Um, I
was betrayed, you know, everything you could think
of practically. And I, um, I got the advice. Did, don’t try to prove yourself
to anybody else right now. Don’t try to overcome it.
Just let it, let it be and get on with what you you’d like
to do. And even if it’s very small, it’s okay. And I got, I
slowly moved through that, that dense period and came
out the other side. Um, and then when I look back on
those things, it’s like, uh, I could see a lot of it was, you know, old stuff where I was trying
to get approval from others, but mainly it was other
people’s problems that, um, we’re showing up in my field and I
was relating to them and in matching the energy of them, you know, and I, I
learned a lot about not doing that. So that’s like one example. Yeah. Cool. Going off on a tangent
here, I just triggered thought then, do you think then the difficulties in
our life are here to teach us lessons or do we create our own reality? I mean, what’s your sort of thoughts around that? Well, I think we, yeah, it’s like
a, a blending of what you just said. I think we do create, these
are all the experiences, but along with other
people, we’re not alone in, in creating our own reality cause we’re
part of a collective consciousness. So, but I may have had, um, like I, I’m going to look back on that time and
say that maybe what was going on with me was that I wasn’t fully
enough taking up my own space. I wasn’t coming forth that
enough with my own energy. And so other people came in, dominated
me, betrayed me, rejected me, did I had losses, which I took personally. And that was me showing myself the
repercussions of having that kind of, of thought pattern. When I look
back on it later, I could see, Oh, I was thinking that. And that was my set of instructions
to the field around me. And then that’s how everybody acted.
Okay. As soon as I shifted it, then everything turned around
and was fine again, you know, so aye set it up. But everybody else played
their roles too. You know, w we co-created
experiences for each other. The people who betrayed me got
to feel selfish and you know, afraid of not being good enough so
they had to take something from me. You know, everybody learns something. Yeah, totally, totally. Um, what is your morning routine look like? Ah, uh, I am not a very disciplined, um, meditator or exerciser, so I basically get up and I, I basically, I leave a time in the morning to do
housework and cleaning and gardening, you know, physical work basically. Um, and then I just get started on computer
and working and writing or doing whatever project I’m on.
Take breaks on and off. Yeah. Beautiful. Beautiful. Very
simple. Yeah. Yeah, no, for sure. For sure. Um, if you could have
dinner with anyone tonight, from any timeframe, anywhere in the world, who do you think it would be and why? Kind of like to have
dinner with Jane Austin and just see what she’s
really all about. And, um, if I could have my consciousness as it
is today to to open her up into some new level of her awareness and then I would
wonder what kind of books she might write after that. Fair enough. Fair enough.
And, uh, last question, is there anything about yourself
that most people wouldn’t know? Huh. I grew up on a farm for quite awhile. Um, I have done a lot of work with horses
and all kinds of animals and um, ah, moved, I moved a lot growing
up every two years practically. And so I had quite a few
years on different farms, but also I lived in the city and
that all kinds of different kinds of experiences. So, um, yeah. Beautiful. Yeah, I put you on
the spot the last couple of questions, but that’s fine. And um, just
to, just to wrap it up as well, with everything that we’ve covered today,
which is be quite a bit actually, um, is there anything you’d like to
leave the listeners to ponder on? I, I think that I want people to know
that this transformation and clearing themselves is not that hard. It’s really a function of your
attention and that part you can do, you know, that is your choice
about how you want to feel. And, um, I think that, you
know, by, in some ways, by being a dominator or a victim
around other people, April, you’re actually doing violence
to them in this odd way. And I think we all have to
kind of make a decision to be, to create no more harm, to create
no more karma, you know? And, and that’s the golden
rule, isn’t it? You know, to treat other people the way you
want to be treated and, um, and, and be careful about what you say
an and how you treat people. Cool. Yeah. Beautiful. And for anyone that wants to buy one of
your books or check out your work and your website, where’s the best
place we can send them? Penny? Yeah, I’ve just redesigned my website,
so it’s just my name, pennypeirce. com. But my name is spelled oddly,
it’s E Y for the first name. And EI for the second name. Um, so all my books are featured on there
and you can get them through Amazon and pretty much anywhere. Yeah. Yeah. Beautiful. I’ll, if
people listen to this by the podcast, they’ll be able to pause it
right now and scroll down. That’d be linked to your
website there as well, and sleep back on my website as
well. So, um, yeah. Wonderful. Penney, thank you so much for coming
on today and doing all that you do. You know, you’ve been influenced
on my life with your work and, uh, it was truly an honor to have you
on my show today and be able to thank you. Uh, I’d love to do it
again. You’re a great interviewer. Thank you penny. I really appreciate it. Well, have a great day. I will. You too. Thank you. Okay

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